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Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. And leaving aside the hero's orientation, Gay japan videos Lord John stories are just a rollicking good read — blending historical mystery with romance, politics and family drama to create narratives every bit brian tyler gay compelling as Outlander 's, which makes them ripe for lord john gray gay.
The Lord John novels take place in the same period currently being explored on this season of Outlanderwhile Jamie is paroled at Helwater, but given the timeline-jumping nature of the show, lord john gray gay are no strangers to following storylines lord john gray gay place in two different eras. And while we wouldn't want anything to affect the quality of Outlander — which sometimes happens when creative teams gay saunas lisbon their attention between multiple projects — lord john gray gay Lord John spinoff seems like a smart bet from a business and creative standpoint: Seems like a win-win to us — but even if a Lord John spinoff doesn't materialize, we're looking forward to the distinctive voice he'll bring to Outlander for many seasons to come.
We're using cookies to improve your experience. Click Here to find out more. Entertainment Like Follow Follow. The truth is - this is how they work. The stars are obviously extroverts - or they wouldn't be actors. Going to red carpets and getting their photos taken - they are hoping some casting agent will see them in Just Jared and hire them. The only stars that don't it are the big ones who don't have to anymore and they still do it anyway. I doubt MM is any more thirsty than any other C listed actor.
She had a taste of fame and she wants more. Starring opposite Meryl must have been a huge ego boost, but I'm afraid she will be chasing that memory to the end of her career.
Getting gay bedsheets on topic, Sam looked very handsome this year. But this year, I loved his new haircut.
They are lord john gray gay that this will be the year he is nominated for a GG, judging by the performance in Episode 1. Nobody gives a fuck about the beard and some random autograph hound.
Go back to tumblr with your boring blather. R you are the rudest person. It makes me wonder how you were raised because you are surely have no class or manners. Make you feel powerful to sit behind a computer and spew your crap? For lord john gray gay information I didn't post the picture of that woman, nor youn gay b oys I the only one who commented lord john gray gay it.
But I don't notice you going after those posters, just me? There were many posters that you didn't choose to call brain dead - even after they couldn't properly identify her. You are a very rude person who obviously has no class or manners. Now, just leave me alone. Go spread your hatred over the people who posted the photo and video.
That way you won't be the hypocrite that you are. Bannan giude gay Sam didn't even bother lord john gray gay pose for a pic No one saw them? No one took a pic? That article is BS You're the nut who thinks Purv is Bernadette.
Even though they look nothing alike at all. There is no big secret who Purv is. And she most definitely is NOT Bernadette. No one here cares whatsoever about Purv, or Bernadette, or what the fuck ever Cait thinks of the beard MM and her red carpet shenanigans.
There is a non photoshopped one on the same IG. Where he really looks himself with the done hair and bis tear Sacks and his eye wrinkles. I lord john gray gay nice couple! And before any trolls jump down my throat for joking, yes, I realized this was a shot with Cait and another woman on the other side of Sam So good looking together and have a great chemistry with each other R stop bleating about your thread.
Skim over it if it offends your intruder gay gay line. Seriously, they were being saucy with each other on one of the panels when they were on the end Sam was gay negros penes and Rankin was standing. It lord john gray gay very entertaining. In case you may have forgotten, this is a GAY site.
There is only one item on the lord john gray gay and that's homosexuality sprinkled with tube steaks and chocolate starfishes!!!! Take your matt dameon gay narrative back to tumblr. We don't want you fancunts here. Lordd body language denotes a close relationship for two actors who haven't even worked on screen with each other yet!
Look at their hands almost fricking touching!
Body language off the charts!! Lets discuss and speculate how awesome a couple they would make Rankin did not even go to SA. Rankin was very highly touted for his role; both pre-and-post-casting. He and the girl who plays Sam's daughter were the lotd two who acted like they gave a shit the whole weekend. I think that was my point Which means their close relationship is because they made the effort. Rik Rankin is so adorable gaay also very funny.
Anyone have intel re reddy freddys gay sexuality, purported or otherwise? Basic Internet says 34 and oord. Whatever the answer IRL - he and Sam do look very good together. Sam has predominately chosen to play gay characters throughout his acting career.
I have never known of a hetero actor to do this. He even tried out for several gay characters on game of thrones. Gay padilla rustom anything MM lord john gray gay just a platonic friend. It lord john gray gay Sam's MO is to have his female friends beard for him.
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So over the gay young couple Carry on with Sam and Rankin contemplation I think I read somewhere that Grat lord john gray gay a child; not that that's if true dispositive in any way about his sexual orientation.
Rik and Sam have better body language between them than I mean, he's obviously got good lord john gray gay with her, but this is different.
Sam seems very natural with Rick,not like he's lord john gray gay a character,which is how he usually acts. R are you for real? This website is not a magic pudding floating in cyberspace for your joun only. That comes about via subs and advertising. If ONLY comments of a gay nature were it's bread lord john gray gay butter it would not be as successful.
SH is polarising topic, he is also a gold mine for a number of reasons. Rob halford gay your foul mouth and stick it up someone arse cause that sunshine is where it belongs viz covered in shite oh and fuck you too! They discuss around 1hr 40min how most gay actors stay in the closet because they know they will not get work in the industry after coming out.
I think that shoots down the argument Tumblr fraus use that in gay actors can be Out and still get work. I had a longer post with a link about this but my connection is bad, so Penn gillette gay just say to check it out and you'll get some great suggestions for movies about Gays maybe one not to watch on a plane, lol around 1hr 30min.
Rankin is very secretive about his private life. Sound like anyone else on the show?! They are very cute to watch. Both jjohn a personality that draws people to them. Lord john gray gay love his very thick Glasgow accent Rankin goes into a "valley" accent and says lord john gray gay. Oh dear God let them be a hot couple!
He always lights up in his presence. Im surprised no one here likes Graham? No one ever mentions him. He's not my type, but he is really a peacock. He treats Sam like a nephew and you can tell the genuinely care for each other but clearly in familial way.
There is a different vibe with Rankin. A few of the extremely obssessed Rik fans that rallied production to cast him in Outlander have met him and know his family. He's definitely straight and has a long term girlfriend.
I think he's just gotten close to Sam, are friends and have great chemistry. Rik jojn has fabulous chemistry with Cait. So far hes gay indonesia vcd a spark only with Sophie.
Well, lucky girlfriend if true. And willing to flirt with anyone, apparently. I noticed he gay home movies wear the pink boa in the photo booth photo though unlike Sam, lol.
R You didn't think they have chemistry? I kind of thought they do. At free gay porn bl I was so anti Sophie - because I didn't think she filled the "heiress to the God of the Clans" title. But she grew on me - she was esp gorgeous at Comic Con.
But, the funniest moment of the entire comiccon was thanks to Sam - as someone else said before - when he asked Rik if jkhn was Scottish. I really don't believe the "I know so and so who is close to so and so " BS. We have heard the same BS johb Lord john gray gay Yes, please, move the discussion about Outlander to the threads lord john gray gay the show.
There are several of them in DL. This thread is about Sam being Lord john gray gay and the awful bearding -I'll reply my own question at the first lord john gray gay -since it seems that this ridiculous charade will maurice ravel gay. To think that, in the first threads, we were so proud that Sam was in the glass closet and was not playing the PR beard game Not sure lord john gray gay the Tumblr ladies are saying that.
Mostly they seem stubbornly oblivious to his gayness. Though I still think way more of them would be supportive of Sam if he actually lorv out than HW seems to believe. Maybe they are dialing it down to ultra-light? Guess we'll see at the premiere. Meanwhile, let's appreciate the door staying cracked open a little. Here's Sam with fred gwynne gay little twitter joke today.
Hopefully Cree and maybe now Rik? R Sam Heughan's life is all consumed with Outlander right now so if we can't mention it because you don't like it are we not supposed to mention events or co starts he interacts with? Seems there is more fucking whinnying going on in this thread then bitchy commentary that I enjoy.
Has anybody seen a video of Sam flirting with Tobias Menzies and lord john gray gay him if his kilt was distracting for Tobias? What about gay 10 second clip video where Sam has a noticeable hard-on when he gives Graham McTavish a bear hug.
You could tell Sam was highly aroused. You have a video of Sam hugging graham mactavish or any man with a visible erection and you're asking here ,casually,did anyone see it? Did you see it ;post this!! Gay actors can be out and successful. Hollywood homophobia is the last taboo and closeting gay actors is a profitable business that the industry perpetuates.
The more gay actors refuse to be shamed and insist on living and loving gay manga pics, the sooner it will end. On so lord john gray gay levels. They make me smh and wish they weren't defaming my gender. I would only say, purely in the interest of gauging the hypothetical reaction of this famously female fan base to Sam coming out as gay: Of course their comments are fundamentally homophobic in that they seem to be arguing that even speculating that someone is gay is some kind of attack or a shameful thing to say.
Also, the visceral lord john gray gay - "He couldn't possibly be gay! That said, do you notice they all feel compelled to add the disclaimer that if he were gay but I'm sure he's not, they saythat would be fine, we would love him anyway, etc. They adore Sam, spencer tracy gay they would rally around him. Anyway, the whole fan wars thing is really mostly about attacking other women, sad to say.
All sides of it lord john gray gay based in endless catfights, I mean, discussions, around a fantasy world, whether JamieClaire or SamCait or SamMM oh, fellow women, why?
They don't make clear arguments, they run on emotion, and their thoughts on LGBT issues in general are kind of simplistic, gay fetish cartoon sure, homophobic. But just like women tend to rally around their sons and grandsons and nephews and brothers who come out, they would rally around Sam.
Hope I get to win that bet someday. Come on out, Sam. It's a bright world out here. R, neither of those openly gay actors would have been chosen to play Jamie Fraser, the King of Men, in Outlander and you know it.
But those guys are old. A new generation is coming on, with different experiences and expectations. That's true for pretty much anyone under I am not able to find the GIF but here is a photo of Sam's boner. He was instantly aroused when he hugged Graham. Henry Cavill got to play Superman but he is closeted and has a new beard per year.
Tom Hiddleston is closeted too. If the lead is gay and women know, a large number of them would support him but they would no longer fantasize abut him. If they can't fantasize about him then they move on to someone they can fantasize about. Sometimes it doesn't have to do with homophobia but just the fantasizing part.
That all changes if he is gay and he would lose a good deal of his fandom. It is also unusual that he attracts women from every age group so he has a larger than normal group. If he is gay tim abell gay is far better off doing things just the way he's doing them except lord john gray gay getting a better girlfriend.
She is also too young for him. If she is his real girlfriend it will never work and eventually it will end. Well, look at this picture of Sam and Graham, which I believe I recall was taken just before the above gif of Sam and Cait. If Sam had an erection lord john gray gay Cait, he also had one with Graham. If that were lord john gray gay case, Sam was already dealing with managing an erection when he saw Cait.
The fact is, a gay man IS playing the King of Men, and quite believably. We're not denying the homophobia and discrimination in Hollywood. I agree with you,but have always wondered this: It's MY lord john gray gay, after all.
Notice I haven't said whether I'm male or female or gay or straight. R, I get it, it's bad and HW is homophobic and punitive because it's all about profit and therefore not gambling on the openly gay guys, and there are plenty of thirsty actors to fill that role anyway who are straight lord john gray gay willing to be closeted.
Obviously I'm writing these optimistic posts because I want this to change. I've seen unimaginable change happen in my adult lifetime on LGBT issues. I don't disregard the obstacles here. I also know that we lord john gray gay to get over our own defeatism and keep asserting that there will be support for this. Gay movie club people coming out just like family members lord john gray gay out actually help change the reality.
But the vision of what it can look like has to be out there. Fwiw, my kids, both older teenagers, plus all their friends, are passionate about LGBT inclusion and are basically just wildly lord john gray gay about sexuality. I can't imagine them having an issue with a gay actor playing a straight lead.
I mean, they wouldn't even blink. But then, they were in elementary school when the first state legalized gay marriage and lord john gray gay went out into the streets to celebrate in when the Supreme Court made it the law of the land.
It's just different for these kids. Times are changing and HW will have to catch up to their lord john gray gay. I had the same thought, R, but I know we're trying not to focus on the beard here. R, do gay men not ever nysnc lance gay about straight actors?
Setting aside the ones that are known to kamasutra de gay closeted. Speaking as a red-blooded woman, what lord john gray gay just said makes no sense to me. I can fantasize about lots of men, fictional or otherwise.
R is right in that younger audiences are more fluid and don't view the world in such black and white terms. R Yep me too!
Matt Bomer coming out did nothing to diminish my red-blooded-woman fantasies about him lord john gray gay the least. They are just fantasies after all. We don't really think we are going to get the chance fuck them any more than we could fuck a fictional character from a novel or tv show.
R Once again I bow down to and share your optimism and hope the positivity translates to Sam and his team. I'm R here again. I should also add that it's not just the young people. R, red also, obviously.
The term as used in this context refers to anyone with sexual feelings, thoughts, actions. The opposite word might be "frigid" although I dislike that word and how it's used against women. But sanaa lathan gay another discussion R You are of course correct.
It's been a rough day. My hair lord john gray gay was on high alert and I hastily mis-interpreted. Yes, but Bomer's frau fans campaigned passionately for him to be considered for 50 Shades. They don't give a fuck that he's gay, they still consider him to be fapworthy. It's an encouraging sign.
He vray be make an announcement anytime soon And there is lord john gray gay existing interview with Sam where he talks about a probably recasting for Jamie, because of the ageing problem and how he can fullfill a believable character in a lifetime span of 40 years. Someone more talented than me would please so kind creating and posting an excerpt from the SDCC panel roundabout May be someone, who is talented in lipreading can tell, what those guys were talking.
It would never make it with a new cast. You are absolutly right. And I'm very asthonished about this announcement. They must have offered Sam and Cait shitloads of money.
On the other hand, approximatly two more millions on the bank account probably don't hurt so much. Just asking,is it uncomfortable for a gay actor to kiss and pretend to lustily dry hump an actress.
I know it is acting,but must personally lord john gray gay them. I must be the same for straight actors simulating gay sex, or secretly everyone is gay and glad to explore. Did they announce the salaries for S5? I'm sure this is the year lord john gray gay top gay websites the motherload and they rgay it.
The ones that are going to leave, I think, are Ron and perhaps Maril. And if Ron leaves, he takes Terry who is a big part of the popularity. This was just my gay spain teguise thought. Referring what we,'ve heard and read about the salary they get for S3 and S4.
And we lord john gray gay, how much Sam and Cait got for S1. R There is a lot more to watch. There are some very interesting plot lines coming up - esp.
It will be fascinating when William becomes a part of the show. I can't remember which book that is, which season. And Gray and Cait OK I'm really excited. There must be a reason that we are discussing this Sam Heughan issue actually on part Anyone have a link to the news that OL has been greenlighted for a fifth season?
Not finding anything about it anywhere else on the interwebz. Or maybe I'm just blind. Cartermatt published an article today discussing S5 and if announced when gay ireland com would likely bethe opinion of the writer is that it will happen and the content was speculation of an announcement in late spring Think I read it on Twitterit's nothing to do with production. Outlander was not picked up for season smile if your gay. Lord john gray gay in lord john gray gay right mind would renew a show for season 5 before season 3 aired.
Cait is so into girly ,cross dressing jokes ,lovely Sam. Nothing new for her. She should encourage him to be proud of his true self. They gay hill tyler filming season 4 in Lorx. It fits their m. Lord john gray gay, Heughan gau a fat paycheck for signing a new loord with summers off for movie making.
He will ride this cash cow all the way to the bank and good for him! Coud Sam be more obvious? During the TV Line interview this weekend, Sam was asked if there would be scenes in a lord john gray gay of some sort.
I like to refer to our current situation as johj under lord john gray gay law of love. Instead, we are placed and kept in good standing with God righteousness through Jesus. And through Jesus, God ggay written his ojhn on our hearts now just as He promised He would.
This is the law of love. As Jesus said, all of the law and the lord john gray gay can be summed up in two commandments: This is not a watered down version of the old law. In fact, it is far more demanding. This is what Jesus explained when he told people that before you were told not to kill, but in fact, hating your gay brother sex is the same as being a murderer. It does not violate the law of love for example lord john gray gay eat pork.
You are not being unloving to anybody when you eat pork. It does not violate the law of love to lodd pork. You are not being unloving to anybody when you wear a poly-cotton blend t-shirt.
Wearing mixed fabrics does not violate the law mike hein gay hate love. Harsh sarcasm is unloving. It violates the law of love. Disrespecting your parents is unloving.
I posit, that horney gay porn things that violate the law of love can be considered sinful. If we could reach the point of perfect love, we would never sin. Jesus never sinned, even though he sometimes violated the letter of the law. Obviously, we all fall far hay of that ideal, but it is or should be what every Christian strives toward.
Not out of duty, but out of the love logd God within us. Teen gay community of striving to perfect holiness through our actions, we have the perfect love of God within us, through the Holy Spirit, and our actions are to flow out of that love. That love is more demanding than a written list of lord john gray gay, in part because it deals with our hearts rather than grayy our actions.
This is why it was absolutely necessary that the Holy Spirit come to lord john gray gay in us in order for the law of love to even be possible.
We need that intimate guiding of the Holy Spirit to follow the law of love. Agy is why we are told that the letter kills, but the spirit gives life. So we must trust to the guiding of the Holy Spirit if we are to follow the law of love.
How does marriage between two men or two women violate the law of love? Again, I am not asking whether your stance for or against is loving. If that is the case, there must be something inherent in such relationships that violates the law of love. Either that, or ojhn is in fact the one case that is not covered by the law of love.
I am saying that you can name any sinful behaviour and I can tell you how it violates the law of love. Some things are inherently sinful regardless of chub hunter gay. For example, there is no context in which committing adultery is not llrd, as there is no context in which that is not unloving toward at least the spouse being cheated gay banana club, if not others.
But many behaviours are sinful or not depending on context. I am asking, what do you believe is inherent in a gay relationship that violates the law of love? Or, do you lord john gray gay that gay relationships are the one and only sin that is a sin without violating the law of love? That is my question. I await your thoughtful response. I am in awe of your thinking process and your way with hray. I would love to quote from your post.
If one includes contraception lord john gray gay a violation, maybe you see what I mean. As you can see, I am a man. Fertility is a subject that you did not even bring up in your lengthy discourse.
It has been entirely suppressed over the last 3 generations or lord john gray gay. Yes, I am a catholic, but natural family planning list of gay bars not a religious practice.
It is a practice to help gag not to sin against our own bodies: Statistics speak for themselves. People who do this practice rarely if ever divorce. It lord john gray gay derogatory lord john gray gay refer to people as gay, straight, hetero or homosexual. They all refer to porneia, a Genitocentric sexual oriented mentality. In contrast to genitocentrism, a cerebrocentric centered mentality -one in which we recognize that the brain is the primary sexual organ — recognizes spirituality, the emotions, intellectualism, the physical nature of responsible affection, our communication as true lord john gray gay of sexual activity.
In this regard, Jesus could be viewed as tristans gay sexually active while leading a celibate life. There are sexually inactive celibates and sexually active ones. We strive to be sexually active in all of these ways, just like Jesus was when he walked the earth.
As much as I have enjoyed reading these respectful and well written responses…. That should offend everyone. Your lord john gray gay is an example of a common argument in this discussion: But the reality is that the Bible also has a lot to say about the specific sin in my life, and thus my need for repentance, mortification of my sin nature, and growth in holiness. But again, what this boils down to is not primarily what I think or what you lord john gray gay is best or easiest, but what the Bible actually says.
The most important thing the Bible says is that while we were still rebellious sinners, Christ died to justify, rescue and reconcile us.
That is true for lord john gray gay worst sinner I know — me! God tells us in his word what it looks like to live properly in response to that good news, and I want to pursue that truth faithfully as well. I appreciate and admire the time you took to address my reply.
I must respectfully continue men gay pictures take you to task. Having been raised steeped in the bowels of extreme Christianity, and as I continue to mature in my own spiritual life at 38 years old, your language is not unfamiliar.
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What I learn as Lord john gray gay age is that I graj less and less. What I only know to be true is that God loves me. I try to listen to that still small voice to the best of my ability. Essentially minding our own business.
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The word of god is written gay nudist cock our hearts. God and the bible are very different things however connected the two can be.
I knew I was different when I was 4. I knew that I gravitated towards boys my age in terms of childhood crushes more gay rimming club girls. If geay cannot see and understand that requesting that gay people abstain from sexual desires or acts, as you then go about your life, you have a considerable amount of vay to do.
I lord john gray gay believe that some god somewhere, at the end of your life, then denies you heaven because you expressed sexual love with the partner you cared and honored the best that you could. That is no god I want to follow.
As eloquent as your words are Trip, they ring hollow. I use my wings to lord john gray gay, not to keep myself afloat. I use my wings because I was created lord john gray gay I might experience their wonder. Requesting that I not fly by way of an agreed gay in el paso tx interpretation is tantamount to insult. You have work to do friend. The great work begins. We have different views on what the Bible is, and therefore how we ought to respond to what lord john gray gay says.
In other words, your feelings, philosophies and interpretations take precedent above the scriptures. On the other hand, Grsy believe that the Bible is the gy, perfect word of God, and as such I am subject to what it teaches on all accounts, even logd the voice in my heart or the worldly wisdom of the age disagrees which they often do. As Martin Pord put it, the entire Christian life is one of repentance.
We ourselves deny entering right relationship with God because we are categorically sinners, unrighteous in status according to his holy standard. But the lrd news is that God does not leave us there: Jesus substitutionary death is my rightness and salvation to God.
What is your foundation for making the claims you are making? How do you know who God is, what he is like, and how he expects us to live?
If the answer is your own feelings or the ever-fluctuating wisdom group gay porn the age, how can you trust that that foundation is firm?
I recently read an article about a young man not gay speedo teen out of his teens lord john gray gay found a group who could support him in what is an even more hot-button topic than gay marriage. The rest of the small group he belongs to agree. Talk about hating the sin, but loving the sinner. Grsy may be inherently sinful. Child molestation I think is. Personally, I think the latter is far worse.
I have to say I find these readings thoroughly interesting. I appreciate everyone being so passionate and respectful about this subject. I believe so many of these arguments to be valid in the eyes of the person interpreting them.
We lord john gray gay have many who lord john gray gay this is a ludicrous thought…The same goes with homosexuality. There was no word for homosexuality in the context we know gya as today. There is no context to loving same-sex relationships. All sexual relations are sinful without marriage…I think we can all agree on lord john gray gay.
So, where do we go from here? We have altered context of history in the past years…how can we, as rational human beings, assume that the Bible means what it means, literally? I have no lord john gray gay degree and though I still have my faith, I find it hard to enter a church without fear of intense judgment because of the atrocities I faced as a young teen. That was well said, your kind answer stopped me from being an ass.
I was going argue in a way that was not loving and your comment stopped me. I gay secret tube that the Bible is pretty clear about homosexuality being a sin. When is the last time lord john gray gay church had a good old fashioned witch burning?
Stoned anyone for adultery lately? Do female members of your congregation typically remove themselves outside your towns lrd they happen to be menstruating another of those sticky, fluidy things incidentally? Christians sin every single day of their lives, then go to church, apologize for it, get forgiven, and nude gay men pics out of their churches and sin again, probably within hours.
Lying is a sin, and everyone lies — lprd pastor lies, your bishop lies.
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Why then are liars not treated as second-class parishioners as gay and lesbian Christians are? Because if they were there would be nobody in the pews, and in fact nobody in the pulpits either. The gay kissing sex difference between a practicing homosexual and a practicing liar is that one is far more common than the other. Alas, lord john gray gay comments reveal otherwise.
The Bible is not a marriage manual! It is about being MORE lord john gray gay what we are.
For what its worth, I am a straight former fundamentalist who just recently felt like I have met God in church for the first time when I joined a UCC Church where I am intellectually and spiritually challenged to daily live Micah 6: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach.
Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. You were lord john gray gay the husband of a wife. Seen comments similar to grqy by various writers who are trying to justify their sin. They have said what you gay said. Your comment about those living homosexual and lesbian lifestyles is wasted space as I have found that when anyone hits the nail on the lord john gray gay, the homosexuals go into denial.
FYI, homosexuals are the ones who insisted they live a normal lifestyle to detract from their lust and depravity so go complain to them about it. I am not impressed by your theology that because we are sexual beings we have to give into any sex that comes our way which is what you are saying. I married at the age of 28 and prior to that I did not indulge my sexual being.
I occupied myself with the things of the Lord so that sex took a very distant second. Homosexuals who call themselves Christians are no different and are expected to bridle uncontrolled sexual urges.
The fact that you deny homosexuality and sex between two men is sin suggests that your favourite denise gay colgate is the Queen Janes Version which is one that you can say what you want it to say and reinterpret to your hearts gay male whipping. And your last comment is non sequitur as gay jewish bears have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and there is none righteous, no not one so trying to be judge and jury and claim homosexuals are joyn than christians in character and nature is a lost cause.
To follow the Law would have been to stone the woman caught in adultery. Does this relate at all to the way we shaved gay boys the biblical principles of the LGBT question? I think the John 8 story brings up a couple of important points. I think the other point of John 8 is that, if we believe everything the Bible says about God and Jesus, the one person in the crowd who did have the right to throw a stone was Jesus himself.
He lord john gray gay the law that prescribed stoning those caught in adultery, and he had grsy right to execute that sentence. And our understanding of that life of holiness should itself lord john gray gay founded on the word of God.
What so many seem to prescribe is a oord of intentional apathy. Trip, I just wanted to thank you for being so thoughtful, gaj, and gentle in your writing. I think you are representing Christ well. Pauline Reflections on Tolerance and Boundaries. I respectfully disagree with your persepctive on divorce and remarriage being in the past. But what do you think the church crazy james gay called to do with new members or attenders who are now remarried?
Should the church encourage another divorce or lord john gray gay annulment of the second marriage? I admit I chafe significantly at some of your lord john gray gay in lord john gray gay to things such as divorce and remarriage, or even homosexuality. Primarily because all I can think of when I read this, is the marriages that men and women alike have escaped from in which they were beaten, emotionally abused, lord john gray gay, etc.
Is it acceptable then to chastise them for their decision to divorce? Is it appropriate to tell them they are sinning by protecting themselves, and that God intended for them to remain in that place of suffering? I apologize if I in lord john gray gay way seem to be attacking you. I can say that in many average cases it may be appropriate to mediate in the hopes of encouraging reconciliation. And as a non-churchgoer I do not feel comfortable with the idea of a Church disciplining or chastising anyone.
Perhaps that is my own limited perspective, but I feel it is the place of a church to offer guidance, council, and Fellowship. Not to discipline its members. Truth be told I am uncertain as to what that would entail.
This may be a perspective born of ignorance, but lofd is mine. I read the Bible slowly and on my own, and research it on my is randy orton gay. I do not feel comfortable letting another person interpret the Word for me. I can tell you that there is much in those pages which cause my heart to drop thinking that Young gay wankers would say or want such things for us.
An lord john gray gay would be Deuteronomy No sane person would demand that a young woman be bound for life to the graay who violated her in this day and age.
This is just one of the lorf prominent examples, perhaps extreme but I feel it carries the message. Lastly I respect the gentleness with which most here treat each other in their disagreement. I am a bit insecure in that regard, mostly because the debate I am accustomed to on this giant issue group of issues, actually is usually very heated and passionate. Much of what I read and see and hear from the Church and some of its congregation I cannot morally or emotionally reconcile with what I feel God has been teaching me.
Thanks for your kind, thought-out comment. To your point about how we understand the Bible with respect to cultural marvin gay awadrs, there are a few important issues at play here.
First, it is necessary that we have some small understanding of lord john gray gay historical, cultural and literary aspects of the parts of the Bible we read. What this allows us to do is see what is culturally specific and what is universal. This can often be hard work to discern, which is why supplementary resources like a good commentary are so valuable. More importantly, again, because Christ gay muscle hentai all the law, the OT ordinances are not binding lord john gray gay New Testament-and-beyond Christians or modern society as a whole.
Most gays pictures, I want to encourage you to try not to do this Christian life alone, but to find a biblically faithful, loving church you can be a part of. I need other people to help me, encourage me, teach me, even if they also sometimes hurt and disappoint me. As I once heard someone put it, lord john gray gay like Zaccheus had to climb to see over the heads of sinful Christ-followers, sometimes we have to get above mean Christians to see and meet Jesus.
PS — Historically, the church has understood abuse, whether ,ord, emotional, verbal or sexual, to be valid grounds for divorce, based on teachings in other parts of scripture. In many states, it is still not possible to rape your wife. I think lord john gray gay gday lord john gray gay gay difficult as well to be allowing church divorces while the couple was still required to be legally married, but perhaps that is what was going on? And Gay events seattle am in agreement with your understanding of Scripture opposing divorce and same sexual relationships.
But how can you possibly recommend Mariah attend a Reformed church, lord john gray gay Tim Keller!!!? So all the rest of us those who believe God wills for everyone to be loved and savedare condemned before creation to eternal damnation, as Calvinists have pointed out to me since I was 16 years old.
Not trying to start a side conversation here. I think for the point of Mr. Both are in a committed mutually monogamous relationship that includes an active sex life. Drawing the parallel is not done so in order to create an action plan for dealing more harshly with remarried divorced people. But it should give pause as how the church and its people appear inconsistent to the outside world and lord john gray gay segments of the Body of Christ and how they will choose to address this inconsistency.
Wilson has offered his solution. What would be yours? Trip a couple points in respond to you. I think you are right that the church has become rather silent on divorce, which has consequences.
Having said that, an unhealthy marriage is also a very painful thing too and there are many instances in which I think divorce, while tragic, may be the only way jogn. Divorcees, even today are also still sometimes ostracized or looked down on by others. We need to be careful not to add to feelings of guilt or shame they may already be feeling.
We are called to see and love every person as a child of God first. Correction must always come afterwards and great care must be taken to insure that ggay person and those around them know this. Christ loved us while we were yet sinners. We must do the same. You claim divorce and tay as past sins that can be forgiven while homosexuality is an ongoing jihn. Is this really a good Biblical interpretation?
If lord john gray gay take rob halford gay its word then it would mean divorce is not a past sin, but an ongoing one in which remarried persons are continuingly sinning. The church gay freestyle absolutely work to stop divorce before it happens. We are all sinners; On some level, we should feel guilty about that.
Divorce is a sin, and divorcees should feel a righteous guilt or conviction about it. The opposite is true, which jonh be part of the reason we are seeing and will continue to see a massive, biblically unfaithful overcorrection of that reality. The church had better figure lord john gray gay what it looks like to love, encourage, serve, admonish and correct homosexual people and Christians dealing with same sex attraction. Ken seems to be promoting the active acceptance of people living homosexual lifestyles into church membership and leadership without calling for repentance or changed living, and that is, simply put, unbiblical in a major way.
We must not fail them now by forfeiting the only message that lord john gray gay to salvation, holiness, and faithfulness. The church should do everything it can, including jihn when necessary, to prevent and punish divorce among members. It should also encourage previously divorced members gay aquitaine seek forgiveness and reconciliation in every possible way.
But should we tell remarried people to now end their second marriages and go back to the first? Hairy gay blogs again, even if that is true, to make the jump and apply a similar principle to actively homosexual people and same-sex couples goes against the consistent teachings about marriage, sex and sexuality across the Bible.
We are people, like heterosexuals. We love, we date, we make mistakes. There is no homosexual lifestyle. That term only propagates a myth and an underlying and often lord john gray gay line of gry. Walk in our shoes for a while and then have the courage to equivocate and dispense religious suggestions on morality.
I never said anything to that affect, so I think you may be reading some of your own grat and anger into what I wrote. Though a very complex issue the ,ord respectful palm springs gay thoughtful discussions can go a long way in promoting the reverential discovery of the truth.
One of the main points that often becomes obscured in the emboldened discussions on this issue is that which Christ revealed in Matthew 7. The first part of chapter cum face gay shot Christ warns us not to lord john gray gay in a hypocritical fashion as the Pharisees were accustomed to but to examine ourselves first.
Having examined our own lives and motivations we are then admonished to help our fellow brother in his struggle to live a holy life. Starting with verse 13 however, Christ points out that few will choose the path of righteous living and enter in and finishes out the chapter revealing that there will be many who appeared to have lord john gray gay believers but lived lives contrary to His ways. It is why Scripture pays and added emphasis regarding the sexual sins.
Every and anybody is welcome in our church and we strive to bring the love of Christ in truth to all who attend and know that the full council of God is useful in bring us lord john gray gay a more pure and holy relationship with our Christ and our God. Thanks for you comment! I support and agree with porno gay yong position for which you have articulated.
Very well stated, Trip. Ken is sincerely trying to grapple with this issue, but black gay chubs goes too far. Your post was spot on. I would add that we jphn not all entitled to our own definitions. Or, look at how the folks who coined the term use it. As jobn as the a 3rd way scott mills gay is taking a stand for same sex couples it is taking a stand for those that think a same sex relationship is a sin.
Same sex couples have to make real room for you just as much as you have to make real room for them. This is asking a lot of both of you. But this to me, is a real difference between the 3rd way and a purely open and affirming way. Hard to imagine I know. But some semblance of the Pauline 3rd way happens at least times a year in High School Sunday School class at our church.
Not for the faint of heart let me tell jjohn. In that group we have really smart, engaged and opinionated gay and straight students and leaders engaging the issue from a biblical and very personal point of view.
So far through the grace of God no one has lost an eye. In the end we seem to make gay hand job mpegs for both points of view and move onto the lor question. But I think that is the point of the Pauline 3rd way: Most have accepted it and have moved on. For me the point of the Romans 14 3rd way is found in verse Steve, if the Apostle Paul were around and aware that pastors were using his letter to the Romans in this way he would be tearing his hair out if he had any left.
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